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police shootings? has it led to a rise in violent crime? here are his first remarks. >> our officers are answering 911 calls but avoiding the informal contact. i spoke to officers privately in one big city precinct. who describe being surrounded by young people with phones taunting them when they get out of their cars. they said to me we feel under siege and don't feel like getting out of our cars. the suggestion, the question that's been asked of me is are these kinds of things changing police behavior all over the country and is that what explains the map and the calendar. the honest answer is i don't know. and i adopt know that that explains it entirely, but i have a strong sense that some part of the explanation m is a chill wind that has blown through law enforcement over the last year. and that wind is surely changing

behavior. >> let's go to our justice correspondent evan perez in chicago, where the fbi director seems to be maybe a bit softening his rhetoric. what is it he just said, evan? >> brooke, this is a very touchy subject. the fbi director doesn't often wade into these issues of about race and police, but he says he feels that it is something he needed to do. there was some reaction to those remarks that he made first at the university of chicago law school on frud. today he said that he was fearful that the black lives matter and police lives matter hash tags were driving the country apart and pitting police against the communities they are suppo supposed to serve. he doubled down on these comments which really give voice to this idea that perhaps there is this ferguson effect happening in some parts of the country where they are seeing increases in crime. to be sure, he also points out that black communities are

suffering from this increased crime. here's how he put it. >> something is going on in big cities in different parts of the country in 2015. far more people are being killed in many of america's cities this year than in many years. and let's be clear, far more people of color are being killed in some of america's cities this year. and it's not the cops doing the killing. we are right to focus on violent encounters between law enforcement and civilians, those incidents can teach all of us to be better. but something much bigger and more disturbing is happening. >> one of the things that emerged from this is we're talking to provocative comments by the fbi director. what he says he's trying to do is really start a conversation. not trying to pick on the black lives matter folks. he's not trying to side with anybody. he's also saying he wants police to provide more data to the fbi

so they can know what is happening, how often are these shootings happening so they can do something about it. >> wants to start a conversation, we'll have a conversation right now. evan perez, thank you very much. on those comments, this follows a massive anti-police brutality rally in new york over the weekend. it was called "rise up" and included hundreds of protesters demanding an end to excessive use of force. one was an oscar director quinton tern tee know. he suggested some officers were murders. and he urged these people to speak out. he said, quote, if you believe there is murder going on, then you need to rise up and stand up against it. i am here to say i'm on the side of the murdered. his comments angered new york's policedownon president and called on people to boycott ta ran tee know's movies.

so with me is retired detective harry halk. welcome to both of you. i want you to respond to those comments to the crowd saturday. >> here's a man who doesn't know what he's talking about. i would like to sit down with him and tell him to give me the facts about these alleged murders he's talking about. does he know anything about the evidence in any of these cases that he's talking about? he probably doesn't. he probably just figured he needed to get his face in the media. . we locked him up years ago for smacking somebody in a restaurant. so he's got a temper himself. the fact is that you have the pba here. they want to stop all police officers from going to see his movies. i would say every police department in this country sould do that. i want an apology from him because he doesn't know what

he's talking about. >> so you have one pseudoof this. you have folk who is are furious and other people was a guy flipping off a police officer and this all happening four days after a hero was slain on the streets in east harlem. you contrast that with absolutely justifiable anger on behalf of a number of people in communities such as where you are in baltimore. i wanted to ask you about the director's point about this divide in communities between these hash tags. how do we come together to figure this out? >> it's important we get folks out of the equation who don't have any merit or expertise or qualifications to be speaking. a hollywood director for him to say anything, come on, man, the truth is you're not in these

communities where we are. so to say you're with the murdered, we got to talk about all the people who are murdered. not just individuals who may be allegedly murdered by police officers. if you're really standing up for murdered people, we are talking about thousands of american who is are murdered every day who get no hash tag, who get no rally, who get no song for justice. so what we don't like is so many people using the deaths of people. clearly, we have a problem in this country, but this problem and it's not going to be resolved by making this a hol hollywood issue or celebrity issue or an opinionated issue. i agree with the gentleman from new york. just keep your hollywood business out of the real business of the day-to-day violence that we see in our american country. especially here in baltimore.

unless you're on the ground floor, unless you're impacted by this violence, you really have no weight on anything. so it doesn't matter if one is a hollywood director or entertainer. that means nothing to us who are on the ground floor with us in the community and the police department. police department, they have their measures and practices and methods of investigating to really figuring out the facts. >> how do you think they are doing? i have been in baltimore and talked to officers who weren't supposed to talk to me but did such and said, yes, because of what's happened and because of the ferguson effect, this chill wind, they are afraid of being the bad cop in some of these youtube videos. they are being more reactive and less proactive. is that the case where you are? >> here's what i feel the case is. what's going on with the police department is very similar to the african-american male experience. in that if one of your counterparts does something wrong, the whole group is

judged. if one young black man has his pants down and that's what the media captures, everybody gets shadowed. i feel it's the same injustice and ignorant behavior that's happening with the police department. if one police officer does something crazy that does not mean the entire police department should be reflected with that behavior. we have good officers who are out here trying to develop the communities, who are out here trying to protect people. and the reality is the facts are they are trying to protect people from the killers who are most often a neighbor, a friend or someone that lives across the street. >> first of all, here's a level head headed man i can talk to. he's very level headed. i'm agreeing with a lot of what he's saying there. a lot of the problem here is that a lot of people think that cops aren't. reacting out there. look at police officer holder who was killed in the line of

duty here in new york. he could have let that guy run off. i know for a fact myself when i was getting involved in stuff when i was on patrol, i would say i'm not doing anything anymore. that's it. but next time that gun run came in, i was right out of that car and right after that bad guy. a lot of cops are talking, but they are still out there doing the job. >> were you surprised when he made those remarks friday and then again? >> he made a similar remark a couple months ago. the fact here is i think politicians are looking for a fall guy here and they want to make the cops the fall guy. because they don't want to take responsibility for their own failed actions in their own city. >> i agree 100%. what's happening is -- i keep telling people here in baltimore. the level of violence is not the police department's fault. i can tell you this. and this is a strong opinion, borderline fact. if there were no police in baltimore right now, we would

have more murders than anywhere else in the world. it would be astronomically high. so the fact is that the police presence does to some degree, curb the violence because some people still fear law enforcement actions. but we saw, it was evident as soon as the riots were happening and there was chaos in the city, people took advantage of it. we had had ten homicides in the seven days right after the freddie gray unrest. so it's very clear we need police. yes, we need good relations between the police and the community. it does take level headed, rational thinking and coming to the table. but if all we're doing is blaming somebody, looking for a scapegoat, looking for somebody, we're not going anywhere. so we're running in circles in this country. >> let's leave it, but i'm so glad we had the conversation

again. it's not going anywhere. it's an issue, especially in specific cities. i really appreciate you both, thank you. >> thank you. coming up next, donald trump in foreign territory. what is this, second place by quite a bit? ben carson jumping out to a huge lead in iowa as trump is questioning carson's religion. we'll get into that. plus america's favorite foods can cause cancer. the new warning today about hot dogs, bacon, sausage, what you need to know. >> and right u now the woman accused of plowing into this parade crowd killing several include i including a child is appearing in court. find out what has just happened inside. we'll be rooigt back. i'm gonna take mucinex sinus-max. enough pressure in here for ya? too late, we're about to take off. these dissolve fast.

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welcome back, you're watching cnn, i'm brooke baldwin. the iowa caucus, the first electoral event of the election season. iowa has shown it favors ben carson over the front runner thus far donald trump. this just released poll shows carson is a whopping 14 points ahead of trump among likely caucus goers in iowa. two polls released a couple days ago show carson with a similar lead. so as ben carson pushes ahead in the polls, will the trump osktive getting harsher. here's donald trump questioning carson's religion. >> i'm presbyterian. that's down the middle of the road, folks. i mean, i don't know about that. >> with me now is special correspondent jamie and bob

cusack, chief of the hill. great to have you both with me. bob, i want to give with what's happening here in iowa. ben carson ahead by 14 points. trump is hitting him, questioning his religion. this has to be about the evangelical vote in iowa. >> absolutely. trump is suggesting that carson's faith is extreme and carson has gone out of the way to say faith is less important as your relationship with god. but certainly this is a dig at carson. we're entering a new phase on the gop side. you have for the first time clear proof that carson is on top in iowa. can trump get back on top in iowa? u think it's very interesting going into the next debate. >> how much does it matter if trump loses that iowa caucus? how big of a deal is that? >> actually it's not that big a deal if you look at history. usually iowa and new hampshire voters split on who they want if

you look back at 2012 rick santorum won iowa. 2008 and mike huckabee won it. so iowa is important, it can give you a big boost, but if you do win iowa and then do win new hampshire, history shows you're on the way to the nomination. >> jamie, let's talk jeb bush. let's play some sound from saturday. >> i have plenty of energy. i am soft spoken. i do have a tendency to be relaxed. i wasn't always like that. there was a time when i was very volatile. but i changed. >> if this election is about how we're going to fight to get nothing done, then i don't want any part of it. i got a lot of really cool things i could do other than sit around being miserable and be

feeling compelled to demonize them. elect trump if you want that. >> so that was jeb bush over the weekend. you say there's a new jeb bush in town. you have also some details on this closed door donor session between george w. bush, jeb bush, give me the skinny on both ends. >> there's no question that they are shocked to be in this place in the polls and in the campaign right now. that said, there's a new jeb bush in. town. and that was not an accident this weekend. expect to hear more of it. sources close to the campaign tell me that jeb bush feels empowered to speak his mind. >> because of what specifically? >> i think he's frustrated. he realizes here he is 8% right now. trump and carson phenomenon, he can't believe it. no more mr. nice guy. he's going to be speaking out. . what does he have to lose at

this point? so he's going to say what he thinks. and that was not an accident the other day. it's not going to be a solitary instance. i think when we see the debate on wednesday night, you're going to see some fireworks. i think jeb bush has an agenda to take control of that debate. this is substance, business, this is his wheelhouse. >> what do you know about this donor meeting today? >> so the donors -- the campaign has pushed back on reports that the donors are panicked and they say that's not the case. are the dorns happy, no. but the reality is these donors are very loyal to the bush family. and they do not see kasich, christie or marco rubio, the three candidates in the same lane as jeb bush, as viable alternatives. so for now they are sticking

with jeb bush. >> okay we'll see if it's a new jeb bush in town. thank you so much. i appreciate you jumping on as well, bob. next, a new warning about some of our favorite foods including bacon, sausage, hot dogs can all cause cancer according to the world health organization. we'll speak live with someone who survived stomach cancer, that's coming up. [ male announcer ] whether it takes 200,000 parts,

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bacon lovers, listen up. the world's most trusted health body weighed in on the results not great. it turns out your extra helping of hot dogs and ham and sausage can cause cancer. this new study finding a small serving of processed meat a day can increase of colon cancer by 18%. so translation, hot dogs, bacon,

now in the same category as smokie in smoking. red meat also poses a potential risk as well. the world health organization saying beef, pork, veal and lamb are probably carcinogenic as well. the ceo of praet prevaers, you go back 100 years in the city providing great meat to great restaurants. i have eaten it. it's delicious. i thought i'm going to call my meat guy up to tell me why we don't have to pay attention to th this. you actually say we absolutely do because why? >> well, the news is that there is no new news. so nitrates have long been linked to causing cancer. but even in moderation, it's fine. what it does and why it's used is because it preserves meat. it really eliminates listeria in

meats that are cured. but you have to eat it in mod raugs because it can affect you and it is linked to being a carcinogen, which is cancer causing. >> you beat stomach cancer. so since then you have cut out what? >> my doctors when i had stomach cancer in 2003 said, pat, what is it that you're eating? as a kid growing up, the only thing i liked was bologna sandwiches. so that's a processed meat. it's not something we make at our company. my doctors said to me, pat, you need to eat more of your own product. cook it from the raw state to cooked, not to buy something already process ed. cooked already and preserved with nitrates. >> so essentially that being thus the hot dogs, the cold cuts. >> so there's a high percentage

of cancer patients in children because children eat hot dogs and cold cuts. >> that's horrible. >> bacon as well because of the nitrates. >> so bacon is also treated with nitrates. i think what's more alarming what hasn't been touched upon is that the uncured plight right now is to say this product is uncured added to it. but in the ingredients, it will say that it includs celery extract. what is in celery extract? high levels of nitrates. so i think there's going to come a point where that all natural, uncured product line that you see at some higher end retail stores is not going to be offered anymore. at least advertised in that capacity. >> isn't the meat industry of which you my friend are a part of, they are totally going to push back on. >> sure, and the meat industry as a whole should push back

because what the world health organization did was kind of link red meat and raw red meat into this by saying that the processed meats certainly are lunged to cancer, but they come a little short when it comes to red meat. they said red meat probably. they didn't give hard evidence. there's always a knock. >> that's what's tough about these studies. bottom line, can i eat my medium rarefy lay every so often? >> there's no better source of protein and vitamin b amongst many other health benefits. eating good meat you're going to cook at home. >> pat, thank you. >> my pleasure. next here this is just up over the weekend. this tragedy at a homecoming parade. four people were killed as this car plowed into a crowd of people. in court at this it hour.

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a pentagon official told cnn this. were not going to comment on intelligence or sensitive underwater operations. i can tell you it would be a concern of ours to hear that any country was tampering with communication cables. earlier on, a russian spokeswoman said as we can see the media has been constantly whipping up hysteria trying to make. russia look like the aggressor. they give concerns but no facts. so that said, joining me is nato admiral, the dean of the school at tuff. so thank you so much for ginning me today. >> hi, brooke. >> the word hysteria.

>> i don't think it's hysterical at all. if we look at what has unfoldsed over the last five years from russia, we see kind of back to the future, back to the cold war. increasing aggression in ukraine. mull tear flights going over nato countries. very aggressive submarine patrols. now this report. when you kind of put it all together in a package, you can really drop a line from cold war behavior to what we're seeing today. now i wouldn't say we're headed into a war. i don't think there's a need for ramping this up to be more than it is, but it certainly is part of a pattern of behavior that's rem any sent of the cold war. >> no u.s. agency will speak on the record to confirm the allegations raised. let's back up a half step.

what are these cables. what kind of information passes through here? >> these are under sea cables that run all across the oceans of the world. there are a relatively small number of them. they are fiberoptic. that's really what moves the internet. it's not up on satellites or cell phone towers. most of this information 95% moves on these under sea cables. the relatively few of them. they are relatively exposed particularly where they come off the deep seabed and on to the continental shelf and into land. as few as 20 cables carry 80% of the world's i.t. information. so they are a significant vulnerability here. >> if there is some kind of vulnerability, how easy would it be for russia to get some

information we don't want them to? >> i think they have that capability. whether they would want to take that dramatic a step because. it's very, very irreversible when you break. these cables. it is immediately known and. it also is a very high visibility action that is extremely confrontational. what's happening is we're seeing a signal being sent of russian assertiveness demonstrating their ability to do this as a bit of a warning as we operate in the same battle space in syria. >> so how should the u.s. respond? >> i think we should do an awful lot of shining a spotlight on this, talking about it, making it known and visible that we're tracking this kind of behavior. secondly, we should continue with our sanctions that we

placed on russia following the attacks on ukraine. thursd thirdly, we should be confronting the russians directly and assuring they recognize we are aware of the activity. fourthly, we should be working with allies all of us together can monitor this behavior. we have the nato alliance capability. we need to make sure all of that is capable of tracking russian movements. >> all right, admiral, thank you so much. we'll keep a close eye on this. thank you, sir. next, what is happening across america involving high school football? another young player has now died. this is the seventh death this football season alone. i'll speak live with the parents of one young man who died a of being tackled during a game. plus new video of the raid

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right now, the driver who rammed her car into a parade at oklahoma state's homecoming is expected to be formally charged with four counts of second-degree murder. the question isn't if the she was behind the wheel. the question is if she was intoxicated at the time. among the victims, a 2-year-old boy. 47 other people were also injured. four of them still list ed in

critical condition. moments ago chambers' father spoke with reporters about husband daughter's mental state. >> things she's said in the past and some just recently, she had a mental hospital she went to at one time. they had her for a couple weeks and released her and said there was nothing else they could do for her. so i took her to another place when she got out of there. basically the same thing. she was feeling fine and at that point she was 21. so i have done all i could do as a father. i didn't know where else to turn. >> the 25-year-old worker was charged with dui. nick valencia was in that courthouse and just popped in front of a camera for us here. i want to begin with those who

survived this horrendous crash over the weekend. how are they doing? >> well, e we just heard from the state attorney here saying they have a grave concern about one of the victims still in the hospital who they say is in grave condition right now. the state actually saying they want two weeks more, an extension to file official charg charges. they told the courtroom they expect to level four second-degree murder charges against the 25-year-old. they base that on according to the state attorney that she purposefully drove her car into that crowd. the bond was set at $1 million. the defense did object to that bond being set asking for it to $250,000. that was denied by the judge. but they did permit a psychological evaluation for that 25-year-old to be given at a later date. we didn't see her in the courtroom. she was actually appearing by vud owe monitor. that monitor was turned away from the gallery and reporters and family members inside the

courtroom. so we didn't see her at all. she only spoke one word just to say yes that she could hear what was happening in the courtroom. a very emotional scene inside that courtroom. we understand according to the defense attorney that her family was inside that courtroom. i did on the way out speak to a family friend of the suspect. who saud he doesn't believe she did this on purpose. it's not in her character. she's also charged with driving under the influence. we just don't know what she was influenced pi. we have reached out to police. they haven't gotten back to us. according to this family friend who i spoke to on the way out of the courtroom, he said she's not known to take drugs or drink. she's a very soft spoken, kindhearted christian person and this is not had her character. she is accused of killing four people and injuring nearly 50 more. among the youngest victims, a 2-year-old, whose story has tugged on the heart strings here. the locals say that homecoming

parade for oklahoma state university is one of the most wholesome events in the country, but it was clearly anything but that saturday morning. >> awful, our condolence s s to that community. thank you so much. coming up next, the seventh death of a high school football player this season alone. we'll talk to the parents of one young man who died after a hit on the football field. what is happening? that's next. also, governor chris christie under fire for saying black lives matter movement encourages the killing of police officers. we have a lead r of the movement live to respond. get fast-acting, long-lasting relief from heartburn with it neutralizes stomach acid and is the only product that forms a protective barrier that helps keep stomach acid in the stomach where it belongs. for fast-acting, long-lasting relief. try gaviscon®. for fast-acting, long-lasting relief. can a a subconscious. mind? a knack for predicting the future.

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it's happened again. r for the seventh time this football season, a a high school player died after being injured

on the football field. he was 17. a wide receiver for his chicago area high school. witnesses say smith was hit during the last play of the game. e he walked off the field, collapsed on a bench and take on to a hospital where he later died of head injuries. his family absolutely heartbroken. >> all the things people can live and die from, i never thought it would be something as simple as that. >> you understand the risk, but it's a game. kids have played this for years. >> my next guests know the pain all too well. their son taylor died seven years ago after a collision with two other players. the public safety director described the collision as so severe and instantaneous no one could save his life. i have them on the phone with me

now from florida. my condolences to both of you. i truly appreciate you calling in because this is an important for all of us to talk about. kathy, let me ask you from a mother's perspective, can you tell me a little bit about your son? >> taylor was an avid football fan, loved the game. he wrote in an essay that he was happy with the football in his ha hand. he was an energetic lovable cud, fantastic personality, intelligent, he was just an all around wonderful child. >> so what happened? >> well, our son was a wide receiver and he ran a cut route across the middle. at that age, kids are growing at different sizes and shapes and

some are big and some are tall and some are shorter. our wson was a 6 foot tall thin 15-year-old. he jumped up to catch the ball that was overthrown and that expo exposed his abdominal area as he was hit simultaneously front and back and it crushed his liver. >> so this was a number of years ago. andre's death is the seventh death this season. when you hear about these stories, one death is one too many. but seven, kathy? >> i know, it's incredible to me that this season has been so tragic in all of these cases. it just awe maizes me still that we have not gotten smarter about protecting our children. >> let me pick up on that. in terms of being smarter, is

the issue an equipment issue? are high schools giving the best to these kids? is it strong enough? is it an issue of learning how to hit differently? what is not being done? >> well, we have had the opportunity to work with the current and former nfl players and we know -- it's interesting because they e lead off with what we submit to them which is the size of the players are very susceptible to different damages based on different growth rates. also equipment clearly is of issue. and what they point out on the nfl side is they see kids not know how to best to tackle at that age also. so i think it's a combination of all of those things together. >> so i know you all -- some of this is head injury, you

mentioned the liver, abdominal issues, hits, equipment, you started a foundation. can you tell me about that? >> the foundation is designed through our guest program, which is youth equipment for sports safety. to our knowledge, we're the only non-profit in the country that specialize in abdominal injury for middle school and high school athletes. we try to educate parents and teachers and students about the types of equipment that might best be used to support and better protect them from abdominal injuries. we get the word out nationally about that and we also equip certain teams through a grant process. >> so what would you say? there are so many parents out there. this is a beloved game. you were talking about how taylor was born with a football in his hand. what would you tell parent who is are listening who are touched by your story who are touched by andre's story, who are torn? what would you tell them?

>> one thing i said in the past is try to do your homework. you're not necessarily going to get the information that you may need to protect your child. you are your child's best advocate. and what i found, unfortunately, afterwards that there are products out there that are being used on the college and nfl level to protect them when they have the muscle structure already in place that these secondary school athletes don't have. so be the advocate. there's a smart way r for our children to play football. there's equipment that can be used. there's ways we can get more awareness out there as in tracking these injuries. we didn't know to the effect

that the injuries, how many there were and the extent of those until they became brought to the attention of the right people and then they started to track those injuries. >> they did the same thing with concussions. abdominal injuries are the third wave because when i was a kid and if you were dehydrated, you needed to suck it up. they would give you a salt tablet. we have learned so much since then and we're still getting better, but we have come a long way with helmet equipment. we feel the new head to head contact rules, they are going to be more targeted area. we need to do better to protect our kids in ways we can find equipment that can do that.

perhaps train our coaches on how to have them tackle better. >> absolutely. the equipment, the coaches, educate yourselves, thank you so much. i'm so sorry about taylor, but i appreciate you coming on and talking about something so tough, but so important for kids in this kocountry. thank you both. this is cnn, i'm brooke baldwin. . top of the hour, we begin with a stunning new poll that shows donald trump in an unfamiliar place, second place, by a lot. we're talking about iowa, the first electoral event and for the third time iowa has shown it favors ben carson over donald trump. but this just released poll shows carson is a whopping 14 points ahead of trump among likely caucus goers in iowa. two polls released just a couple days ago, they both showed carson with a smaller lead over trump.

will the trump offensive get even harsher? here's donald trump questioning ben carson's religion. >> i'm press b prez bsbyterian. that's down the muld of the road. >> with me now is political director david and on the phone is kathy overdovech. great to have both of you. david, you first, 14 points in iowa. . that's huge. this has to be all about the evangelical vote there, yes? >> a lot of it is. there's no doubt that carson has surged to the front of the pack on the support from evangelicals. they make up a huge swath of the republican caucus going electorate. and listen, donald trump is keenly aware of that. that sound byte is not by accident that he says that.

he says, all i said is i don't know about the religion. he's obviously injecting ben carson's religion into the campaign trail conversation because he wants it there. and he thinks that perhaps evangelicals will scratch their head a bit and say do i enough about this religion. am i sure that ben carson is my guy? >> kathy, how much head scratching is going on with regards to folks not understanding this seventh day adventic religion? >> what's interesting is that donald trump's religion is also kind of a question mark to republican caucus goers. the des moines register poll asked how committed do people think donald trump is to his own christian religion. 40% said they don't know. >> what was a couple weeks ago carson questioned trump's religion and carson apologized. >> exactly.

so evangelicals are a big voice in iowa. and that is one thing that is really important. one of the big negatives we saw in the des moines register poll for donald trump is people don't like it when he's attacking other republicans. but what people don't like about him in iowa is he's going to attack other republicans. >> david, back to you. i talked about this on the show. this is fascinating that unlike when romney was running and his affluence, he took a hit for having deep pockets. donald trump, he hasn't. there was a story saying, listen, my life hasn't been so easy. i got a small loan from my dad to the tune of $1 million. you laugh. not so mall.

how will that resinate with regular folks? >> i don't think this really sticks to him. how he handles his wealth versus the romney example about romney sort of gingerly walked around and seemed uncomfortable with it and thought it made him unable to connect with middle class americans. donald trump says, hey, you love me because i'm rich and a winner. >> he owns it 100%. >> he owns it. him saying a line like just a small loan and a million dollars, that's actually par for the course. i don't think that goes against the grain for most voters. >> so brushing it off the shoulder there. . does it really matter? talk about the historical context. if trump were to based upon these polls lose that february 1 iowa caucus, no big deal for him? >> i mean, trump has put a very high premium on his mission in the polls every time he appears in public he talks about how he's winning the polls. so it will be interesting to see

how he handles this. in iowa really what matters is how many people they can get out to the caucuses. and trump talks about how many people show up at his rallies. the organization is what converts those folks into caucus goers. if somebody can be doing well in the polls and have their organization whatsoever. in this case, ben carson does have organization in iowa. e he is preparing to convert people who like him into somebody who is going to show up at their fire house or community center on february 1st. so does it hurt trump if he doesn't win? i think it does. i think he is presenting himself as a winner. having a loss on the record doesn't go with his narrative. >> someone else amongst his republicans who would love to be in the double digits but has not been is jeb bush.

i want to play a little sound from over the weekend. >> if this election is about how we're going to fight to get nothing done, i don't want any part of it. i have a lot of really cool things that i could do other than sit around being miserable listening to people demonize me and me feeling compelled to demonize them. that is a joke. elect trump if you want that. >> okay so last hour we had sources in the bush campaign who said that's the new jeb bush who we're going to see. that's the jeb bush we'll see come wednesday night at the debate. what do you think? >> i think we saw some deep frustration on display there from jeb bush. my mouth was agape this weekend when i watched that. you just so rarely see a presidential candidate portray what they are feeling underneath. in the reporting, that's certainly what the bush campaign

hopes is going to show up, but they have been hoping for that before. we have to wait and see what jeb bush does in this moment because there's a big moment where he has to convince the establishment that he is the guy that they want to ride all the way and that it will work out at the end. there's just not a lot of data right now to explain to the establishment why that should be the case. >> thank you both very much. now to this. crime is up across america because police officers are nervous. that coming from the director of the fbi in chicago today addressing policing in america and the so-called ferguson effect. today he seemed to soften his stance just a tad. our justice correspondent evan perez is there in chicago with more on his remarks. what has he said most recently? >> there was a little bit of a blow back of the idea of linking the so-called ferguson effect with what we're seeing around

the country in some cities where murder rates run. so today one of the things he was trying to make sure people understood is this is not the entire explanation. what he's trying to say is to start a conversation. he wants people to discuss whether or not there's better ways to provide more scrutiny of police while at the same time making sure officers are getting out of their car and making sure they are doing their job. he's also saying that he's worried that this rise in crime could imperil some of the efforts underway to reform criminal justice. here's how he put it to a meeting of police chiefs here in chicago. >> the question is are these kinds of things changing police behavior in cities around the country? the honest answer is i don't know for sure whether that's the case, i don't know whether if it is the case that it explains it

entirely, but i have a strong sense that some part of what's going on is likely a chill wind that has blown through law enforcement over the last year. that wind is made up of a whole series of viral videos and the public outcry that followed them. we need to be careful that 2014 doesn't drift away from us in an age of viral videos where there will be profound consequences. if we're not careful we'll lose the space to have these important conversations about reforming justice and improving the interactions of police and civilians. >> brooke, it's important to add here that not everybody agrees with this point of view. the white house is pushing back a little bit of this. e we expect president obama to pick up this issue when he addresses the convention of police chiefs here in chicago tomorrow. >> evan, thank you very much. along the same vein, chris christie slammed the black lives matter movement saying they are calling for the murder of police officers. we will get the reaction from a black lives matter organizer, next.

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he does not support the police. e he doesn't back up the police. e he justifies black lives matter. >> black lives matter shouldn't be justified at all? >> i don't believe it should be justified when they are calling for the murder of police officers. >> sure they are. >> with me now is one of the original organizers of black lives matter. also with me former agent and homeland security expert david katz. wonderful to have both of you on. i would love to have you respond to governor crihristie. >> sure, i mean, i think his language is absolutely inflammatory and untrue. there's no basis for that in reality. black lives matter was built out of love for our people and in honest and really sincere plea for the state sanctioned violence against black people to stop. that's the work that we're

doing. we're not calling for any kind of violence, in fact. we are in the tradition of non-violent direct action and demanding an end to sta state-sanctioned violence against our people. >> david, turning to you, we have heard now from the fbi director comeyn talking about the ferguson effect. he's talking to police chiefs across the country and because of the crimes rising, granted it's low, but in certain cities there's been an up tick. just saying that police officers worried about being the bad guy in the video and not being as proactive as they should be. are you surprised? >> i'm surprised he came out so openly, but he's 100% correct. let's look at the incident that launched the black lives matter movement. the concept of murder of black people is offensive. but r more to the point, in

ferguson, officer wilson went to work. he was a a five-year veteran. he did exactly what the officer is supposed to do. he was set upon by this a thug who moments before strong armed an indian-american. >> i understand. >> by force intimidate, what would you charge? >> let's just say michael brown. >> i have my opinion. not afraid to make it. he goes after the officer in his car. he tries to take the officer's weapon. the officer responds and his career is ruined. the attorney general of the united states of america sits at the funeral of that person. is there it something that i'm not seeing that's wrong? absolutely. police officer on the street now any time you're doing a law

enforcement operation it can go bad very quickly. the number of officers that intentionally do bad things, yes, there are. but the number is minuscule. so in these instances, law enforcement is not pretty. things can go back quickly and the officer says i have a family. the first one is in college. no, maybe i'm going to back away a little bit. >> do you want to respond to that, melina? >> first of all, what your guest is showing is a complete misunderstanding and ignorance around black lives matter. black lives matter did not begin with the murder of michael brown in ferguson. in fact, we began a year earlier when trayvon martin was killed in florida and george zimmerman was acquitted for that killing. so these kind of assumptions are false. he obviously is ill informed about what our movement is and

how we began and that ignorance into and spills over into his allegations. first of all, wilson had no idea what michael brown was doing. he was stopped for simply walking in his neighborhood. so that's the lives that black people live often. when we think about the killing in los angeles, when we think about the killing of a 7-year-old in detroit and in cleveland, they were doing absolutely nothing wrong. and so for law enforcement to declare that they have the right to stop people simply for walking while black or sleeping while black, and gun them down, even if your guest were right and wilson knew that mike brown may have taken something that he

shoplifted essentially, that is not a depth sentence. that's not a death penalty case. so this is the work that we're doing saying that black people have the right to walk and live and sleep and do that peacefully. police do not have the right to target and kill us with impunity. that's the work we have been doing for two and a half years. we're going to do it in a way that mobilizes our people and says that we have the right to live. we have the right to grow. we're going to transform this narrative about what public safety is. officer wilson and the police officers that your guest is protecting are creating public safety problems, not solving them. >> first of all, tell that to the families of the officer who is were shot down because someone took to heart your me message. tell that to the countless police officers every single day that go to the hospital instead of home after work. officer wilson acted correctly

because the moment e he discharged his firearm, he was in reasonable fear of his personal safety and life, period. the grand jury has spoken. the grand jury, as you know -- >> i don't want to relitigate that. that was more than a year ago. it's an important piece of what black lives matter is trying to accomplish, but the fact we're talking about this and listening to closely to both of you, this is part of the director's point today, again. i'd love to have you respond to this. he said the hash tags, black lives matter on one end and police lives matter on the other. as a result of this, it's like a group of citizens versus police. and no one is seeing eye to eye and it's like this clash. therefore, there's this impossibility of any solution and moving forward. >> i think there are possibilities of solution. i think that the work being done

by mayors who is talking about redefining public safety and getting to the root causes of violence and crime in our communities, recognizing the central role that intervention, prevention, community resources, mental health resources play in driving down crime. i think that for too long, we have lived in a society that has poured resources, too many resources into a policing system that creates an unsafe situation, especially in black communities. and i think we need to be more creative than that. we need to completely reimagine and redefine what public safety is and know black lives matter is responsible for the things that your guest is talking about. there have been no call, there's never been a call for us to -- >> i can't ignore what he's saying. >> of course, you can't ignore him because he's talking over me. >> because you're not

responding. >> this is a minute example of the way in witch police continue to try to talk down, talk over and put a message across that is simply untrue. and while you point to a single incident, our primary chant is black lives matter here. and black lives should matter. black lives should matter eve everywhere. it's unfortunate that police don't seem to see that. so if you think that everyone's lives matter, you should have absolutely no problem saying black lives matter. >> and i have no problem saying that. what i have a problem is you discount people. black lives matter. >> black lives matter. black lives are being killed. >> august times the rate.

so we need to be. >> let's be polite. let's have a conversation. >> do you realize that african-americans commit homicide at the rate of four times that they would be expected to statistically? why is that? >> well, i don't accept your statistic. but two, i think it's really important that we understand -- i think it's important that we understand the structural causes of violence. with black people being poorer than every other group. with black people having higher unemployment rates than every other group. with black people having untreated mental health conditions. with black people having underresourced communities. >> let me interrupt the both of you. because i'm going back to the fbi director because i would

love to talk to active cops. it's difficult and i have to trust the director of the fbi who is talking to police chiefs. i hear you and a lot of this is about really truly understanding the root cause of violence. this is part of what he said. he lists these routes of violence. e he says these are useful suggestions, but it doesn't explain both the map and the calendar in cities over the last ten months. so the map in terms of an up tick in violence in the calendar in the wake of ferguson. how would you respond to the director? final question. >> i think that those points that he's making still are not the root causes of crime and violence. the root causes are not drugs. where do drugs come from? why are people engaging in the particular crimes that they are engaging in? we can also think about our communities being overpoliced and not getting to those root causes. in my city of los angeles, we

have had a 35% increase in black homelessness. we have had a 52% unemployment and underemployment rate in the black community. so those kinds of things, the black jobs crisis, the black housing crisis, the black health crisis are all the root causes of crime and violence and u would love to see us get to those kinds of questions, which are structural in nature. >> thank you both for your perspective. >> wish i had another two minutes. >> i have a feeling you'll both be back. >> thank you very much. coming up next, a stunning admission. former prime minister tony blair is apologizing for the mistakes made in the unvags of iraq in 2003. but he refuses to apologize for one very specific thing. fareed joins me next. ♪ 800,000 hours of supercomputing time,

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this is cnn, i'm brooke baldwin. we're following breaking news. the u.s. navy is about to send a destroyer to the south china sea. let's go to our chief correspondent jim sciutto. what do you know? >> defense official confirms that the u.s. navy is prepared to second a destroyer within 12 miles of china's manmade islands in the south china sea. that plan has the president's approval. why is 12 miles key? 12 miles, those are internationally recognized as sovereign waters, but the u.s. does not recognize these manmade islands as sovereign territory. these are international waters and this sailing of a navy ship inside that 12-mile line would be a message from the u.s. navy saying these are international waters. this is the second tomb this it year that the u.s. navy would have sent such a message.

in may of this year, we flew on a surveillance aircraft. those images were taken by that aircraft over the manmade islands. they flew that aircraft close to the islands as a message to say not only does not recognize the seas as being chinese sovereign seas, but the air above those islands, we have a lot of warnings and angry warnings from the navy saying u.s. navy aircraft go away. this is chinese territory. this is a major issue that the u.s. and china have not been able to come to agreement on. this sailing o of this ship like this flying of the airplane is a strong message from washington that they still don't agree. >> jim sciutto, thank you, sir. now to this stunning apology from one of the strongest u.s. allies in the iraq war. former prime minister tony blair sitting down for exclusive interview with fareed zakaria

apologize figure r bad intelligence that led to the 2003 invasion. >> given however that saddam hussein did not prove to have weapons of mass destruction, was the decision to enter iraq and topple his regime a mistake? >> whenever i'm asked this, i can say that i apologize for the fact that the intelligence we received was wrong because even though he had used chemical weapons against his own people, e against others, the program in the form that e we thought it was did not exist in the way that we thought. so i can apologize for that. i can also apologize, by the way, for some of the mistakes in planning and certainly our mistake in our understanding of what would happen once you remove the regime. but i find it hard to apologize

for removing saddam hussein. it is better that he's not there than he is there. >> fareed is with me now. to hear these words, mistakes, apologize from tony blair's mouth and to say because of these mistakes it led to the rise of isis. it's a big deal. >> that was the biggest deal of all. the fact that he would acknowledge that there were mistakes in the intelligence, he sort of had before. he never talked about mistakes in the post war planning and never said it explicitly in this way that took responsibility for it. but then he went on to acknowledge that, look, these things may have led to the rise of isis. doing this documentary, we went to senior bush policymakers who are much more centrally involved in these decisions than blair was. blair was supporting these decisions. not one of them would take responsibility. not one of them would apoll jazz.

not one of them seems to think anything went wrong. >> as we talk isis, we cover the war, we have reported on friday the first american combat death since 2011 with the raid in northern iraq. we now have some video. look at this. rescuing about 70 hostages in northern iraq. one american did die. do you think this is the beginning of us seeing more cooperation between u.s., kurds, iraqi forces on the ground in places like iraq? >> i do not. i think remember iraq is still a second most violent place in the world. syria, iraq is the number one place where you have this kind of violence going on. but the big problem and this is what the invasion created in some ways was the division among

iraq's communities. so you asked the question are you seeing more cooperation monk the kurds, shiites and sunnis. and the honest answer is no. in fact, you're beginning to see deep divisions between the kurds and central government in baghdad. but the kurds and the shiites are beginning because the kurds want to fight to protect kurdistan. they are not interested in fighting to make sure that the baghdad government has more power. the fundamental problem in iraq is that we could go in and get rid of a bad guy. you can't stand up a country and you can't stand up a a country in which these three communities mistrust each other. that's in a way a different version of that drama is playing itself out in syria as well. we could go in there, but will that stand up a new syria in which all these communities that are fighting with each other somehow say, yes, we're all one country again? >> so much of this will be in

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accused of ramming her car into this parade at an oklahoma state homecoming over the weekend. police say adasha chambers was the one driving saturday, she killed those people including a 2-year-old boy. 47 other people are injured, four are critical. questions have been raised about whether chambers was intoxicated or mentally ill at the time. just before the court hearing her father and boyfriend revealed she does have a history of mental illness. >> i know that there's no way she was drunk or impaired. no drugs whatsoever. she just wasn't that type of person. >> that's just not who she was. that's not who i raised. she had a mental hospital she went to in wagner at one time. they had her for a couple of weeks and they released her said there was really nothing else they could do for her. >> now, chambers was initially charged with dui, but prosecutors said they plan to

file murder charges against her in the future. i have with me our legal analyst sunny hostin and phillip hol oway. >> my understanding is there's still a victim in the hospital and that person is not doing that well. >> sort of touch and go. >> it's touch and go. so prosecutors are still i'm sure investigating this case as we just heard there are so many issues. we're talking about mental illness, possible dui, possible intent because the prosecutor said today, brooke, which was shocking to me, they thought she intentionally drove into the crowd. that is a very big distinction in the law when you're talking about manslaughter, which is you know not an intent crime, and homicide second degree that is pretty significant. i think the prosecutors are weighing all options. but this is going to be a very, very serious case against her. >> let me come back to intent because that's a huge point you're making. phillip, here's where i'm confused. she faces this dui charge but

her defense attorneys say she wasn't drunk. which was it? >> well, we just don't know yet, brooke, because the toxicology has yet to come back from the crime lab. i understand they've asked for it to be expedited. so that is probably a large part of the reason that prosecutors are going to wait a few more weeks to decide what formal charges they're going with. now, to sunny's point if i might mention this, i agree with her. this is a much more sinister allegation now that there was some purposefulness behind this act. and the upgrading to murder charges is surprising to me. i was expecting something along the lines of manslaughter, but not murder. but second-degree murder, brooke, does not require any kind of purposefulness. it doesn't require -- in fact, it specifically excludes an intentional act or an intent to kill someone. that would be murder in the first degree in oklahoma. so i'm a little bit perplexed as to why on the one hand they're saying it was purposeful yet

using second-degree murder what about the fact the attorney says he was flagged to her mental state. you heard her father talk about how she was in and out of some mental hospital, flagged because she had no emotion when she was told that she killed four people. >> yeah. quite frankly any of us that have been prosecutors or in law enforcement we've dealt with what we call edps, emotionally disturbed people, that typically quite honestly is one of those responses that flat affect. again, i think this investigation will uncover a lot of details of this woman. we've now heard from her family saying she does have a history of mental illness. it's something you and i speak about all the time, bottom line the criminal justice system is ill-prepared to deal with defendants that suffer from mental illness. was she legally insane? that's such a high threshold, high bar. very rarely do people meet that threshold, but when you talk about mental illness and someone committing a crime, our justice system just hasn't caught up. >> you want to jump in on that,

phillip. and also speak to the fact bond set at $1 million. >> right. they don't expect her to get out. that's not a bond anyone can make. sunny is entirely correct. the criminal justice system is very, very ill-equipped to deal with people with mental illness. i'm not necessarily talking to people criminally insane that rise to that level but people who have mental illness in general. the criminal justice system does a terrible job. her affect following the crash, you got to consider if you look at the photographs you see the airbag deployed, it probably hit her right in the face or upper torso. and sometimes those things can cause a concussion. so the way she was acting in the hours and minutes immediately after the crash could possibly be related to the airbag deployment. >> okay. okay. that's fair. sunny hostin, phillip, thank you both so much. we'll stay on that one for sure. straight ahead here, donald trump in foreign territory, foreign territory being second place. ben carson jumping out to a massive lead in iowa as trump is questioning carson's religion. that's coming up.

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i'm going to leave you with this. not even president barack obama can resist a beautiful walk on a perfect autumn day such as today. photographers -- here he is little waves, some screams. photographers captured the commander in chief just a little while ago as he decided to ditch the confines of his presidential motorcade and walk to lunch. how about that. he was spotted shaking hands with law enforcement officers there on the closed off streets and he was out for the rare stroll with his chief of staff by his side. my goodness. can you imagine the crowds watching this? just so happen to catch it. his destination the metropolitan club for lunch with former senators tom da shell and george mitchell. we talked to fareed a little bit ago. remind you to tune in at 9:00

eastern here. fareed zakaria special report "long road to hell, america in iraq" that's 9:00 pacific here on cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. we'll be back tomorrow. in the meantime let's go to washington. "the lead" starts now. thanks, brooke. donald trump says he knows what it means to struggle. "the lead" starts right now. he's just a kid who started out with almost nothing, except for that million-dollar loan from dad. donald trump sharing his riches to even more riches story you have this morning and taking shots at the man he's now trailing in iowa, dr. ben carson. a real life spy thriller, according to a new report a christian charity delivering humanitarian supplies deep inside north korea was actually a spy ring run out of the pentagon. and the bibles they carried were just part of the plan. plus, pick your poison. you got your morning bacon, your ballpark hot dog,